Category: Lib dems

I take a break from getting depressed by UK politics to go and be depressed by the US Democratic primary process instead and when i look back over to see how the UK’s doing…

I really wish I could just turn a switch in my brain to let me not give a shit about politics anymore.

I can’t think which of the Labour leadership candidates annoys me the most or has the worst possible shot of leading a successful election campaign, and then after that is all resolved I’ve still got the Lib Dem leadership election that I can’t imagine being any more inspiring given how small the field they have to even potentially choose from is.

I just know it’s gonna be Long-Bailey and Davey and the nation is fucked forever because the opposition responded to being shot in the foot by voluntarily shooting themselves in the other foot.

I’m trying to think of the worst possible people for the job that both Labour and the Liberal Democrats could pick to be their next leaders so I can put a bet on it because hey, if they’re going to fuck up and take everyone down into bullshit and misery with them I might as well make some money out of it.

For the past couple of years I’ve really wanted to make a long post here about all the ways the “but in coalition…” attack line against the Liberal Democrats annoys me and makes almost sod all actual sense in reality but every time I just think I can’t be bothered with the effort of having to get it all out in any kind of structured way, and definitely can’t be bothered with the inevitable responses and bitching I’d get as a result of it.

See this is my voting conundrum here.

Wokingham is the next constituency over but one from mine. I’m in Aldershot, there’s Bracknell between me and here. 

Aldershot typically was a Tory safe seat with the Liberal Democrats second until the collapse post-coalition. Then it’s been safe Tory with Labour a distant 2nd. 

But after a strong 2nd place finish in the European Elections in this region and nearby constituency polling like this for the Lib Dems?

Fuck only knows how this is gonna go in my constituency in terms of Labour or Lib Dems putting in the 2nd place finish.

And I know this is a bit of an odd constituency considering the Lib Dem candidate was a Conservative MP from neighbouring Bracknell constituency now running to unseat a Brexiteer Tory the next seat over.

But it’s just a clusterfuck in terms of how I’m best off voting.

Just sucks that because my constituency is considered such a safe Tory seat and there have been no defections to other parties to make it remotely interesting no fucker ever does constituency-specific polling down here so the information I have to go on is even more based on speculation and wishful thinking than it normally would be even with specific local polling.

EDIT:

And this is from Dominic Raab’s Esher & Walton constituency not too far away either:

According to my Labour-voting friends on other social media, the Liberal Democrats are impossible to vote for because, and I fucking quote:

“They just want to be in government.”

It’s almost like they’re some kind of political party or something. The fucking monsters.

Like I know that Labour seem to be making every spirited attempt to run to remain in opposition forever but the point of being a political party in a representative democracy in this country is so that you can get elected to be the party of government and implement your manifesto and your ideas.

The sad thing is even if the rebel Tory MPs refuse to back Corbyn to become PM it’ll still somehow get framed in the online discourse as being totally the Lib Dems’ fault.

Nobody who’s already decided to hate the Lib Dems forever is ever gonna be intellectually honest enough to admit that the current refusal to immediately sign on to making Corbyn the caretaker PM isn’t out of some petty spiteful dislike of Corbyn, it’s purely a matter of pragmatism in the feeling that he won’t be able to get enough Tory MPs to line up behind him, especially with the inevitable Labour MPs (like Kate Hoey for one) who will openly defy him making any move to assume the power to cancel Brexit.

If he can’t command a basic majority of support for shutting down Brexit via Parliamentary means then this whole idea of a caretaker PM becomes null and void anyway as a lovely thought experiment that’ll never actually happen.

That’s why the Lib Dems have openly suggested letting either Father of the House Ken Clarke or Mother of the House Harriet Harman (both respected longterm Parliamentarians with broader appeal across the chamber than Corbyn has) be the caretaker PM because they’re less ‘divisive’ than Jeremy Corbyn is and have a greater chance of actually getting the amount of MPs they need to get behind them to get done what needs done.

Sorry but this “Lib Dems are only using this to gain power” line is total horseshit considering of the two parties the Lib Dems are saying someone else from one of the other major parties should lead this venture, while Labour are insisting it should be them and only them and nobody else.

Hell while I admit her immediate line on this whole idea wasn’t helpful she’s openly offering to meet personally with Corbyn to hammer this shit out so it’s clear that this isn’t some 100% total redline thing but that rather she’s approaching it with more caution than other parties. Might have something to do with how Labour has spent, what, at least 9 years now being more openly hostile to her party than they have been to the Tories.

Sounds like it’s not the Lib Dems who are trying to exploit this conflict to gain power for themselves.

But of course any sense of nuance in this has gotten buried in the sensationalism of headlines and the Labour faithful’s endless glee at having a nice excuse to post shitty anti-Lib Dem memes all over Facebook which is the exact opposite of what’s fucking needed when it’s in everyone’s best interest to try and get the two parties to see eye to eye.

Flooding social media with memes insulting Swinson and having Owen fucking Jones go on his little ranting sessions ever 5 minutes isn’t going to fucking help. We need to be sensible and let cooler heads work this shit out.

I’m like 99% sure that if it can be established that a Corbyn-led caretaker government against Brexit could get enough Tory MPs behind it to command the confidence of the Commons, the Lib Dems will agree to it as they should.

But until then it’s all kind of idle speculation so this narrative that’s immediately sprung up that No Deal is now entirely the Lib Dems fault because if they’d just agree to this right now Brexit could be stopped instantly is, once again, horseshit.

But I guess “any stick to beat the Lib Dems with” is just the default nature of Labour at this point so I don’t know what the fuck I expected really.

Why does it seem like Labour are more pissed off about the Lib Dems winning Brecon and Radnorshire than the Tories are about losing it and taking their new PM’s functioning majority down to 1?

I think it probably goes without saying that I have what we’ll called mixed feelings about Chuka Umunna joining the Liberal Democrats.

What I don’t understand most about it is people mocking it as a careerist self-serving political move to preserve his own interests.

Dude left the Labour Party, despite holding a safe as all hell Labour seat, to join a failed experiment that immediately collapsed and then went from that to joining a party that has taken the vast majority of everyone’s shit for the past 9 fucking years to the point where they’re still almost universally regarded as a political punchline for so many people.

At the next election he has to try and overturn effectively his own 26,285 vote majority or he’s out of a job.

The Liberal Democrat candidate in his seat at the last election got 34,601 less votes than he did.

This was not a smart careerist move for him, because he’s basically (barring some electoral wizardry or miracle) fucked himself right out of Parliament eventually.

I know the Lib Dems are polling well right now and cleaned up well in London in the European Parliamentary elections but come on now.

Unless he thinks he got 38,212 votes based on his singular political brilliance and not as a result of the colour of rosette he happened to be wearing, and if that’s his thinking then my mixed feelings about him joining get decidedly less mixed because if he thinks that he’s obviously a moron.

Sometimes it’s fun to imagine a parallel universe out there where in 2010 the Liberal Democrats soared into government with a solid majority, didn’t have to bloody themselves with damaging compromise in coalition, and literally none of the absolute bullshit of the last 9 years ever happened.

No David Cameron, no Lib Dems getting sent into electoral exile, no EU referendum, no Brexit, actual electoral reform to eliminate FPTP, no Theresa May, no Tory leadership challenge, no Boris Johnson as PM-in-waiting.

… sorry did I say it was fun to think that?

What I meant to say is WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STUCK IN THIS STUPID HORRIFIC TIMELINE!?