More than 100 seats that backed Brexit now want to remain in EU:
If this holds true the logic for rigorously sticking to Brexit as some kind of vital democratic necessity is increasingly shallow which is impressive given at it’s deepest it could maybe be slightly comparable to a child’s paddling pool.
Also if so many constituencies in England are flipping to majority Remain, would this then solve the problem Labour has with Brexit where it’s membership is largely pro-Remain but a lot of it’s MPs were representing pro-Leave constituencies?
Because I keep hearing that that’s the reason Labour isn’t backing either scrapping Brexit or a final say on the terms of the deal. “Well they just can’t because their constituencies are so strongly pro-Brexit.”
If this change is happening surely that becomes less and less of a problem as time goes on?
During the EU referendum any talk of a ‘no deal’ scenario was virulently denied as even being remotely a possibility by the official Leave campaign and really anyone on the Leave side. Any claim that it could even theoretically happen was decried as slander, propaganda and ‘Project Fear.’
So now that it’s seeming so likely to go that way that there is open talk of the government having to stockpile food and medicine for when the ‘no deal’ scenario hits I have to ask the obvious question…
Is this still exactly what Brexiteers voted for when they ticked that box that offered no specifics on implementation at all? Like, did you all know that the exact opposite of what your official campaign said would happen would actually happen and totally wanted that all along?
Or is it just that this whole experiment of yours has gone utterly pear-shaped but you’re either too dumb, too prideful or too arrogant to admit that you fucked up royal?
Because just shouting “democracy” isn’t an argument.
Claiming only one vote is ever allowed on a subject isn’t an argument. We vote on our own government every few years, our own local government every year, and even a referendum on our relationship with the EU was voted on in the 1970s so it’s not even like the 2016 referendum was the first and only vote about that subject.
From what I can tell the only reason people don’t want a finalising vote on the matter is because Brexiteers are afraid they’d lose it.
And when you’re trying to argue for the ‘sanctity of democracy’ by opposing the idea of a democratic vote just because you don’t want to lose it… you need to re-evaluate your understanding of democracy.
A final vote on such a crucial issue is not contempt for democracy, it is a true exercise in democracy.
And for the argument that “well if Remain won you wouldn’t want another vote” the obvious answer is that if Remain had won we wouldn’t be embarking on a massive change in our entire diplomatic and economic relationship with our largest neighbour in a way that’s creating headlines about the government needing to stockpile food and medicine.
You know, when the Referendum was happening or just afterwards while I may not have remotely agreed, I can at least understand why people would want Brexit. Like, I still thought it was stupid but I could get it, you know?
At this point though? Sorry but if you still ardently support Brexit at this point with everything we now know and the growing reality of how badly this shitshow is going and will go… you’re just crazy or wilfully ignorant.
This isn’t helped by the fact that the most engagement with Brexit I tend to see from the hardcore pro-Brexit crowd basically amounts to “stop faffing around and just do it already” (literally a direct quote from my mum right there) which doesn’t exactly make it sound like a lot of them really even know what’s going on right now.
Seems like many of them are still living in the nonsense reality sold to them by Farage where Brexit is just a quick and painless thing we can just instantly do whenever we fancy it with no repercussions.
Britons Who Show ‘Extreme EU Loyalty’ Should Be Tried For Treason, Demands Tory MEP:
Who the fuck even needs satire any more when you have real politicians being this dumb in public?
Theresa May pitched the snap general election as being necessary for the sake of us being able to successfully negotiate Brexit.
The man she put primarily in charge of negotiating Brexit, the Secretary of Stage for Exiting the European Union David Davis, has just resigned in protest of the government’s Brexit vision and strategy, basically throwing in the towel on being involved in this whole shitshow.
So if the last election was vital for Brexit and now the guy in charge of Brexit isn’t in charge of Brexit any more and the PM herself is fighting a constantly-failing two-front war to keep everyone on her side when nobody wants to be, the question needs to be asked:
When is Theresa May going to resign and trigger another election?
Cause it’s gotta be soon, right? The government’s deadline for Brexit that it’s enforced upon itself is in March of 2019. That may seem a fair ways away but the vote to leave was in June of 2016, over 2 years ago, and look at how far this hasn’t come, bogged down by Tory incompetence as it’s been at every step of the process.
There’s no way Theresa May can pretend everything’s fine for another 9 months, that she’s totally got the support to hang onto her job.
This needs to end in an election and it needs to do it soon. To delay the inevitable only serves to destroy further what tiny shred of credibility she can potentially claim to still possess.
I swear at this point our government’s only real plan for Brexit negotiations is just to throw out whatever idea they happen to be thinking of at the time and just pray that they can get away with it and that somehow nobody would ever notice how stupid it is.
Then when called on it, they immediately back down. They form a new huddle, and the outcome is that they propose some other nonsense idea that’s immediately laughed out of the room.
I think literally anyone could do a better job of it than our government is currently managing. Just pick like 5 people off the street at random. Don’t even tell them what they’re doing, just bundle them blindfolded into the back of a van and dump them out in Brussels. They’d still get on better than Theresa May’s embarrassing lunatics.
With all the focus being given to how the Tories are making a constant dog’s breakfast of whatever their idea for Brexit looks like, I feel a lot of people don’t give enough thought or attention to the fact that Labour’s stance on Brexit seems about as secure and solid as a house of cards in a windtunnel right now as well.
I know it’s fun to rag on the Tories for literally everything (see: the rest of this blog, it’s basically all I fucking do) but as Her Majesty’s Opposition and with Jeremy Corbyn making declarations that he’ll probably end up Prime Minister in 2018, I feel like to be truly fair on this score Labour needs to face similar scrutiny on how it plans to deal with Brexit if they do indeed become the party of government in 2018.
Because I may have missed it but I don’t recall ever seeing Labour actually get taken to task about how they’d handle negotiating Brexit if they were in power, and according to their official website it seems their only stance on it is vague platitudes about standing up for workers’ rights and the like with no detail on how they’d actually go about that.
If everyone wants them to sweep into power in 2018 (including myself, I do kinda want that) then it stands to reason that we’d need to hold them more to some form of account on how their government would actually handle such an important process.
Disclaimer: It’s entirely possible they have adequately explained this and I’ve just somehow managed to miss it. I’ve been very ill lately and haven’t been as on the ball as I like to think I am usually.
Brexit is annoying.
On the one hand I want to laugh in spiteful glee as everything that was predicted to fuck us over before the vote but was brushed off as ‘Remoaner propaganda’ ends up happening exactly as predicted.
But on the other hand, I still fucking live here and do not have the luxury of altering that fact so I’m kind of stuck in the middle of this shit as everything catches on fire.