Author: For The Europhiles

Coronavirus UK – This is why Boris Johnson is taking so long to act:

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In February, US President Donald Trump was asked why, two years prior, he had dismantled the National Security Council’s pandemic response unit. Trump replied: “I’m a business person … I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them.” It turns out that Trump did need them and that his obsession with cutting the public sector was a bad move. Trump’s economic dogma has made the US ill-prepared for the COVID-19 catastrophe. A minority of Americans elected Trump in 2016, but he came to Office because of the country’s unjust Electoral College system.

In Britain, the situation is little better. Professor Colin Mayer of the British Academy had told the BBC: “The UK has a particularly extreme form of capitalism and ownership,” by which he meant a form of “laissez-faire” capitalism that protects the wealthiest institutions and pits everyone else against a so-called “free market.” In December 2019, fewer than 14 million Britons out of a population of over 60 million put Boris Johnson into No. 10, giving him a massive Parliamentary majority to head the UK’s “extreme form of capitalism.” Johnson’s team consists of “laissez-faire,” “free-market” thinkers whose obsession with dismantling the public sector has impaired their thinking over coronavirus.

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That Imperial coronavirus report, in detail:

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The UK decided to try something else to deal with the Corona (COVID-19) pandemic. Rather than flattening the curve to stay within the capacity of your healthcare system, as the rest of Europe and indeed the World does: 

The UK government wanted to infect as many young and healthy people as possible to quickly bank on herd immunity.

One obvious issue with this rather careless approach is the fact that this isn’t the flue and long term health effects on survivors are not entirely understood yet. Though we already know they are not zero: Those Who Recover From Coronavirus Can Be Left With Reduced Lung Function, Say Doctors 

Scientist have modeled the death in the UK to between 25.000 to 250.000 people, assuming they keep with this approach. Which might explain why China was building emergency hospitals, and the UK is now building emergency mortuaries instead!

Coronavirus: London mortuary being expanded to cope with deaths.

No wonder the CNN compared Boris Johnson speech with that of Lord Farquaad:

“Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make,“

The Netherlands is pursuing this policy at the moment. The official policy is to let 50-60% of the population become infected in the hope of building ‘herd immunity’. This is based on the assumption that once cured one is immune to reinfection. This is yet to be proven as far as I’m aware.

I read this as well. But that is misinformation.

The strategy of the Dutch government is exactly the same as the one for example perused by Belgium or Austria. Flatten the curve by reducing human contact, test and monitor, isolate when necessary.

The reason why measures are not as strict here in the Netherlands (yet) is because of spare capacities in the Dutch healthcare system. It boils down to expert advice, there is an optimum timing for each measure. But my wife’s University for example shut down last week (she is now at home recording lectures all night), mass gatherings are forbidden for a while, pubs and schools closed, people who can are told to work from home (I was sent home on the 11th, but work in Belgium). Same as in the rest of the EU.

Very different picture to the UK last week. Schools open, mass events still going ahead with an estimated 50.000 corona cases. (My colleagues there started to try home office Yesterday, a week after the Netherlands.)

When the Dutch say that up to 50 – 60% might get effected (70% is what Merkel said b.t.w.) they just report the modelling provided to them. The “herd immunity” statements was a side effect, not the goal.

Link: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/group-immunity-not-main-aim-of-dutch-anti-corona-measures-says-health-chief/ (or just google, there are a lot of newspapers and government sources correcting this.)

About 50 to 60 percent of the population of the Netherlands need to be infected by and recovered from Covid-19 for the country to achieve herd immunity against the coronavirus, Jaap van Dissel, head of public health institute RIVM said to Nieuwsuur.

Jaap van Dissel may say that herd immunity is not the aim but that is what it boils down to. It relies on too many unknowns and makes assumptions about a virus unknown before January.

Dutch healthcare does have spare capacity but that could easily become overwhelmed if this method does not work out. It’s a gamble. Next time I see Prof van Dissel I’ll either be congratulating or berating him. He’s a work colleague of mine (different departments) and my doctor.

I agree with every statement in the article you linked, but dislike the narrative it creates.

Hows your German? I think this Video explains extremely well what Europe (with the exception of UK) tries to achieve https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/ZIB-1/1203/ZIB-1/14044911/Social-Distancing-Abstand-halten/14663078

In the first simplified simulation, almost 100% got infected. The next one is with lock downs and the last one was with the measures currently tired. Notice how not only the time period increases, but in the end only about 60% got the Virus? This is exactly what the Dutch government talks about.

Of course it sucks that a large part of the population still gets it. But until we have a vaccination, I am afraid this is the best experts could come up with. Just isolating and sitting it out doesn’t work, as the moment somebody brings in the virus again, you have to immediately isolate all over again. First slowing it down and then insuring the infection rate drops below 1:1 (at the moment it is 1:2.4) is the name of the game. 

The spare capacity in the Dutch healthcare system helps finding an economic balance. If you can deal with more cases, you can allow your social life and economy a bit more normality without increasing the amount of people who die. The Netherlands is in a good position here, so while life is certainly restricted here, it is not as bad as in other places.

Okay, need to correct myself, just heard from an export that the Dutch really do have a different approach. Though, from actually living in the Netherlands I do kind of fail to see the big difference … but they do seem to bank on their spare capacity in the healthcare system to drive herd immunity ahead.

Though, the export did end on saying that at large it isn’t different from what Austria does. So erm… yeah. I am a bit confused but am willing to admit that I am wrong and that the Dutch do things slightly different. 

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Please note, I might know a thing or two about statistics and how to normalize data, but I know nothing about virology. I am not a medical professional and never claimed to be.

That Imperial coronavirus report, in detail:

thoughtlessarse:

unknownpoliticalobject:

thoughtlessarse:

unknownpoliticalobject:

The UK decided to try something else to deal with the Corona (COVID-19) pandemic. Rather than flattening the curve to stay within the capacity of your healthcare system, as the rest of Europe and indeed the World does: 

The UK government wanted to infect as many young and healthy people as possible to quickly bank on herd immunity.

One obvious issue with this rather careless approach is the fact that this isn’t the flue and long term health effects on survivors are not entirely understood yet. Though we already know they are not zero: Those Who Recover From Coronavirus Can Be Left With Reduced Lung Function, Say Doctors 

Scientist have modeled the death in the UK to between 25.000 to 250.000 people, assuming they keep with this approach. Which might explain why China was building emergency hospitals, and the UK is now building emergency mortuaries instead!

Coronavirus: London mortuary being expanded to cope with deaths.

No wonder the CNN compared Boris Johnson speech with that of Lord Farquaad:

“Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make,“

The Netherlands is pursuing this policy at the moment. The official policy is to let 50-60% of the population become infected in the hope of building ‘herd immunity’. This is based on the assumption that once cured one is immune to reinfection. This is yet to be proven as far as I’m aware.

I read this as well. But that is misinformation.

The strategy of the Dutch government is exactly the same as the one for example perused by Belgium or Austria. Flatten the curve by reducing human contact, test and monitor, isolate when necessary.

The reason why measures are not as strict here in the Netherlands (yet) is because of spare capacities in the Dutch healthcare system. It boils down to expert advice, there is an optimum timing for each measure. But my wife’s University for example shut down last week (she is now at home recording lectures all night), mass gatherings are forbidden for a while, pubs and schools closed, people who can are told to work from home (I was sent home on the 11th, but work in Belgium). Same as in the rest of the EU.

Very different picture to the UK last week. Schools open, mass events still going ahead with an estimated 50.000 corona cases. (My colleagues there started to try home office Yesterday, a week after the Netherlands.)

When the Dutch say that up to 50 – 60% might get effected (70% is what Merkel said b.t.w.) they just report the modelling provided to them. The “herd immunity” statements was a side effect, not the goal.

Link: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/group-immunity-not-main-aim-of-dutch-anti-corona-measures-says-health-chief/ (or just google, there are a lot of newspapers and government sources correcting this.)

About 50 to 60 percent of the population of the Netherlands need to be infected by and recovered from Covid-19 for the country to achieve herd immunity against the coronavirus, Jaap van Dissel, head of public health institute RIVM said to Nieuwsuur.

Jaap van Dissel may say that herd immunity is not the aim but that is what it boils down to. It relies on too many unknowns and makes assumptions about a virus unknown before January.

Dutch healthcare does have spare capacity but that could easily become overwhelmed if this method does not work out. It’s a gamble. Next time I see Prof van Dissel I’ll either be congratulating or berating him. He’s a work colleague of mine (different departments) and my doctor.

I agree with every statement in the article you linked, but dislike the narrative it creates.

Hows your German? I think this Video explains extremely well what Europe (with the exception of UK) tries to achieve https://tvthek.orf.at/profile/ZIB-1/1203/ZIB-1/14044911/Social-Distancing-Abstand-halten/14663078

In the first simplified simulation, almost 100% got infected. The next one is with lock downs and the last one was with the measures currently tired. Notice how not only the time period increases, but in the end only about 60% got the Virus? This is exactly what the Dutch government talks about.

Of course it sucks that a large part of the population still gets it. But until we have a vaccination, I am afraid this is the best experts could come up with. Just isolating and sitting it out doesn’t work, as the moment somebody brings in the virus again, you have to immediately isolate all over again. First slowing it down and then insuring the infection rate drops below 1:1 (at the moment it is 1:2.4) is the name of the game. 

The spare capacity in the Dutch healthcare system helps finding an economic balance. If you can deal with more cases, you can allow your social life and economy a bit more normality without increasing the amount of people who die. The Netherlands is in a good position here, so while life is certainly restricted here, it is not as bad as in other places.

That Imperial coronavirus report, in detail:

thoughtlessarse:

unknownpoliticalobject:

The UK decided to try something else to deal with the Corona (COVID-19) pandemic. Rather than flattening the curve to stay within the capacity of your healthcare system, as the rest of Europe and indeed the World does: 

The UK government wanted to infect as many young and healthy people as possible to quickly bank on herd immunity.

One obvious issue with this rather careless approach is the fact that this isn’t the flue and long term health effects on survivors are not entirely understood yet. Though we already know they are not zero: Those Who Recover From Coronavirus Can Be Left With Reduced Lung Function, Say Doctors 

Scientist have modeled the death in the UK to between 25.000 to 250.000 people, assuming they keep with this approach. Which might explain why China was building emergency hospitals, and the UK is now building emergency mortuaries instead!

Coronavirus: London mortuary being expanded to cope with deaths.

No wonder the CNN compared Boris Johnson speech with that of Lord Farquaad:

“Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make,“

The Netherlands is pursuing this policy at the moment. The official policy is to let 50-60% of the population become infected in the hope of building ‘herd immunity’. This is based on the assumption that once cured one is immune to reinfection. This is yet to be proven as far as I’m aware.

I read this as well. But that is misinformation.

The strategy of the Dutch government is exactly the same as the one for example perused by Belgium or Austria. Flatten the curve by reducing human contact, test and monitor, isolate when necessary.

The reason why measures are not as strict here in the Netherlands (yet) is because of spare capacities in the Dutch healthcare system. It boils down to expert advice, there is an optimum timing for each measure. But my wife’s University for example shut down last week (she is now at home recording lectures all night), mass gatherings are forbidden for a while, pubs and schools closed, people who can are told to work from home (I was sent home on the 11th, but work in Belgium). Same as in the rest of the EU.

Very different picture to the UK last week. Schools open, mass events still going ahead with an estimated 50.000 corona cases. (My colleagues there started to try home office Yesterday, a week after the Netherlands.)

When the Dutch say that up to 50 – 60% might get effected (70% is what Merkel said b.t.w.) they just report the modelling provided to them. The “herd immunity” statements was a side effect, not the goal.

Link: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/group-immunity-not-main-aim-of-dutch-anti-corona-measures-says-health-chief/ (or just google, there are a lot of newspapers and government sources correcting this.)

That Imperial coronavirus report, in detail:

The UK decided to try something else to deal with the Corona (COVID-19) pandemic. Rather than flattening the curve to stay within the capacity of your healthcare system, as the rest of Europe and indeed the World does: 

The UK government wanted to infect as many young and healthy people as possible to quickly bank on herd immunity.

One obvious issue with this rather careless approach is the fact that this isn’t the flue and long term health effects on survivors are not entirely understood yet. Though we already know they are not zero: Those Who Recover From Coronavirus Can Be Left With Reduced Lung Function, Say Doctors 

Scientist have modeled the death in the UK to between 25.000 to 250.000 people, assuming they keep with this approach. Which might explain why China was building emergency hospitals, and the UK is now building emergency mortuaries instead!

Coronavirus: London mortuary being expanded to cope with deaths.

No wonder the CNN compared Boris Johnson speech with that of Lord Farquaad:

“Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make,“

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